tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29718807.post8612521493023671655..comments2023-06-26T11:23:50.414+01:00Comments on Black, Woman and Winning!: Getting the Job: Some Vital tipsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29718807.post-36217593494714469782012-12-30T22:14:52.824+00:002012-12-30T22:14:52.824+00:00I'm so glad I have not had this experience alt...I'm so glad I have not had this experience although I have heard horror stories like this from time to time. Until the last ten years or so the IT field here in the Tulsa area was dominated by men. IT WAS REALLY NICE. However I believe that had I stayed at my last contract I could have run into this because the staff was almost all female. My direct team was not like this but I suspect the manger of my manager was.<br /><br />I have said this in other venues. Professional women (and men) will probably do better to do their own business if at all possible. This is what my husband and I are doing. Got tired of hearing of the overqualified aka too old aka you will show me up. Hopefully next year we will have two projects launched that will make money.<br /><br />Halima, this is excellent information. If I was looking for work I would be praying that I am working around mostly men again. It was a lot more fun.Pamelahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02625679179124409756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29718807.post-2013378424403456002012-11-15T13:48:15.838+00:002012-11-15T13:48:15.838+00:00Why thankyou, you live in the UK super!, I feel li...Why thankyou, you live in the UK super!, I feel like most of the BWE community seems to be based in the US, thanks for letting me know about my verification system, I'll have a look at that.<br /><br />I've been reading your blog for sometime and wanted to start my own, I was just unsure where to start, I mean there's 101 issues that need discussing right and I feel like I'm a little bit too young and inexperienced in life to give advice on alot of the things BWE bloggers talk about. I guess I should just give myself time to grow and see where it goes and stick to subjects I feel comfortable with.<br /><br />Many thanks for all your hard work, putting you on my blog roll :)Aura Borealishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07378154436281304259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29718807.post-28688985797420459132012-11-12T13:03:37.193+00:002012-11-12T13:03:37.193+00:00Hi there Aura welcome to the BWE club! Glad to see...Hi there Aura welcome to the BWE club! Glad to see you are in the Uk (I live in Middlesex). I tried to drop you a message on your blog but your word verification system seems to be playing up.Halimahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13400009793511308799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29718807.post-63486343183989979092012-11-12T12:32:29.105+00:002012-11-12T12:32:29.105+00:00As usual you hi the nail on the head Halima, great...As usual you hi the nail on the head Halima, great post.<br /><br />noirbellechic.blogspot.comAura Borealishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07378154436281304259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29718807.post-79616377315590471072012-11-11T01:33:48.372+00:002012-11-11T01:33:48.372+00:00That sounds like a good book for me to read Zabeth...That sounds like a good book for me to read Zabeth!<br /><br />All of these 'woman up against woman', 'overbearing, domineering man up against woman' issues and other issues that pollute already existing office politics make me so glad that I will soon be a qualified accountant who will one day soon do accounting for SMEs and do taxes within her own firm with a specialli selected 'sales person' *ahem* a la 'Muslim Bushido'!<br /><br />Being my own boss is my ultimate dream!<br /><br />There are crazy and stupid parallels between women purposely holding other women back in the workplace and black people holding back the progress of black businesses by never supporting them. The sillier, greedier, jealous women never stop to think that if there were more women at the board level of management in an organization, then more women could could help other women move up and can make an impact on their working environment and how it be acclimated for women's needs. <br /><br />Just like how black people who complain about lack of jobs or job interviews because of racism or who worry about what would happen if all Affirmative Action and quotas were to stop who also mostly or never give black businesses their custom don't stop to think (or just don't care) that if more black businesses do well enough to grow and expand furhter and further or even start franchising that that can create more jobs for black people in large numbers with more hiring of other blacks. Duh!<br /><br />I used to know of a lovely lady I met in NYC when I lived there who was tall, slim and very pretty who did some modeling years ago who had two Masters degrees and could speak English, French, Spanish, german, Italian, and some Arabic. She was half Sudanese and half Ethiopian and had a German boyfriend. She was once offered a job on the spot by a UN diplomat to work for him as his translator but she turned him down because she didn't like the UN because didn't agree with their political stance.<br /><br />But anyway, she once told me that she went for an interview in NYC or somewhere in the US that had a WW interviewer and she told me that she could feel right away that she wasn't going to get the job because she sensed that the WW interviewer was intimidated by everything that this particular lady had to offer. I mean she does sound pretty amazing even to me! LOL Sure enough, the same interviewer told her that she didn't get the job or just wrote her off as the usual 'overqualified'. SMH<br /><br />In my opinion, if you are what everybody wants to call too 'overqualified' to take on a job, then try to start your own business if you can!<br /><br /><br /><br />akhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01821918420194865921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29718807.post-75931247378003698792012-11-10T17:33:31.609+00:002012-11-10T17:33:31.609+00:00Halima, what you just said about how some women un...Halima, what you just said about how some women undercut other women is so on point! This is especially true among younger women or much moreso than with older women in the U.S. Bw used to be much more supportive of each other as women! I'm not sure what all caused this change and when.<br /><br />I once took a graduate school course entitled: "Oppression and Third World People" and it was pointed out numerous times that oppressed people like women can be counted on to try to oppress others who they perceive as considered less-thans by those who are more powerful (men, in this case). So the anti-woman attitude of women towards other women may be due to women believing that there is great scarcity out there for the good things in life and/or trying to curry favor with men.<br /><br />My youngest son pointed out to me a couple of weeks ago that women (of all groups) in his age group (mid-20s) are "vicious" and super critical towards each other in ways that shock him and his male friends. He said, for ex. that he and a couple of his male friends may be out socially and may meet up with a couple of women who "appear" to be friends, but if one of them goes to the bathroom or steps away, the other woman begins to chop down her friend. He said this is almost always the case. He said this always surprises him and his male friends because if males are buddies, male buddies are not like that. He said that a typical male will cut a woman much more slack than a typical woman will.<br /><br />He said that this is amazing to him also because I--his mom--am a pro-woman type woman, so he expected other women to be the same way.<br /><br />Also, the other day, I happened to say to another bw that a bw that we both know is very attractive. This other woman told me that it's odd for me to say that. I asked her why. She said she never hears other bw saying another bw is very attractive. SMHUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03807361585300096844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29718807.post-66666984938616101442012-11-09T00:11:05.830+00:002012-11-09T00:11:05.830+00:00Wow it is so interesting how you just posted this ...Wow it is so interesting how you just posted this and my friend just went through this very thing where a woman completely cut her out from moving forward in the hiring process.<br /><br />My friend who is half cuban/half Italian is a very attractive woman (she almost looks like Kim kardashian). She dresses very feminine and often receives positive male attention. But she is also very smart and down to earth.<br /><br />Well a recruiter told her about a position. She had to do a 3rd party phone interview first - which she passed. Then she was set up with a face to face with the hiring manager whom she'd be working for in the sales territory.<br /><br />She called me after her interview with so much joy! She said how she and this manager had hit it off extremely well and he immediatley told her he wanted to move her onto the next step in the process. <br /><br />This guy was a young and attractive guy who was pretty new on the management team (less than a year) told her about how he had moved up in the company to a management position and how well his team has been doing and how the position open was b/c he had just promoted one of his team members to a management position. <br /><br /> she said she had never had such great positive feedback and a wonderful interview. He was already telling her how she would fit well with the team and everything. So he actually called the recruiter and gave the recruiter all this wonderful feedback on her and said she was one of the 3 people he was moving forward.<br /><br />So the next interview was with he and another District manager who ran a different territory but was in close proximity.<br /><br />AFter her interview, she called me and she was so upset. So I asked her what happened b/c she and the manager hit it off so well. <br /><br />She said the other manager was another female around her age and this woman totally treated her like crap!<br /><br />She said the woman immediatley sized her up and began asking her questions, then cutting her off. Asked her to do a role play and saw she at one point was looking at her watch. Then was asking her all of these questions that were more like being interrogated rather than interviewed. She said she kept looking over at the guy manager who just had this strange look on his face. <br /><br />Basically she said she had such bad vibes from this other female manager interviewing her with the original guy who was gung ho about her. <br /><br />Well lo and behold the recruiter calls her back that evening saying that "they were unsure about some things" and that the male manager would not tell him exactly what things those were.<br /><br />She an I both know it was that female interview who put the nail in the coffin for her. Its really sickening how women act in the workforce when it comes to competition. That female manager saw a bright, and talented and VERY ATTRACTIVE woman her age as a THREAT and she made sure she did everything to see that she was dropped from moving forward and getting the job.<br /><br />She was also jealous of the fact that this male manager gave her such glowing reviews b/c she said when she walked in the room the male manager smiled and said I told her how great you were!!<br /><br />How does she get such rave reviews from the hiring manager to such horrible "reviews" on the second interview that included a female manager who treated her like crap.<br /><br />IT's so sad and women will never really make any real strides until we first deal with our own issues against each other.<br /><br />Very similar to saying Black males will never make real progress or be treated like equals and will face racism as long as they are racist against their own women and mistreat them. <br />Neecyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03018329669630782165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29718807.post-78381955718113276602012-11-08T21:29:04.044+00:002012-11-08T21:29:04.044+00:00Have you read the book “Woman’s Inhumanity To Woma...Have you read the book “Woman’s Inhumanity To Woman”? I started it but couldn’t finish it- it made me too angry. <br /><br />http://www.amazon.com/Womans-Inhumanity-Woman-Phyllis-Chesler/dp/1556529465<br />Zabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12691376432212065138noreply@blogger.com