Monday, January 18, 2010

90% of Married bm marry bw YET only 30% of us are Married! Who’s fooling who here?

Only about 30 percent of black women are living with a spouse, according to the Census Bureau, compared with about 49 percent of Hispanic women, 55 percent of non-Hispanic white women and more than 60 percent of Asian women."

I think I need to do some work clarifying all the stats that have been flying around lately. BW we cannot afford to be put back to sleep over the idea of opening up to a diversity of men and not packing our eggs in one basket! Those who want to derail us or get us to suspend action are now using a variety of tricks to either get us into believing that things are not as dire around the marriage situation in the black community, or get us to feeling we have been running with the wrong picture.

First of all they deny the authenticity of the statistics compiled around marriage and relationships in our community. They question the method of its collection, they point out this and that issue as meaning the stats are unreliable. But you must keep in mind that the same conditions and standards used to arrive at the picture for us bw, was used across all races of women. Just recently someone in a bid to discredit the stats of 70% singleness among black women, argued that it was ridiculous to include 16 year olds as ‘of marriageable age’ and so this makes the conclusions questionable.

On the face of it, it might seem like they have a point, and it is ridiculous for those doing the study to include a group of women as young as 16 years, because who wants to marry at 16 right? But the truth is that the statisticians did not single out black women. They applied 16 as marriageable age to every race; to Asian, white and Latina. Note that if bw had had a slow uptake and decided that 29 was a better age for marriage, this would still reflect in the study and the surge at any particular age would bump up the overall numbers for bw, but there is no such surge. Bw’s rate of marriage doesn’t suddenly jump to an all time high at some specific age, their marriage rates continue to be the lowest across all ages. So the point is moot.

Another trick the ‘high rate of black female singleness-apologists’ come up with is saying 90% of bm marry bw. Wow wee! Wonderful! And that gives us what, 90% of bw married right? Wrong!

Don’t be fooled, 90% might seem like a promising large number, but when you look at the reality of the 90%, they are just saying 90% of the few black men who think marriage is important. Say a million bm decide that marriage is for them, then that means 900,000 of them are married to bw, but that doesn’t in anyway make bw situation any better, particularly if 4 million bw are desiring to get married!

If I tell you that I give 90% of my spare time to charity, you would say, “That’s wonderful”. But if I qualify that ‘spare time’ by saying that it is actually only 1 hour on Monday mornings, you will realise that I don’t necessarily give that much time to charity after all. This same principle applies with the 90% of bm marry bw they keep quoting. Don’t take your eyes off the bottom line here, and that is that less than 30% of bw end up married as a result of this 90% of bm. Yep I said less than 30 (it keeps dropping doesn’t it?), because as Evia rightly pointed out, we have to account for the fact that in that 30% of married bw, some are married to white men and latinos etc!

As my maths teacher would say, “Always define your boundaries”. Don’t let anyone play on your intelligence and distort your growing understanding of the situation as it stands. It is not a pretty sight in the black community and it is not set to get any better because we have allowed the problem to reach unprecedented levels. At this point all bw can do is save themselves individually by grabbing hold of their wider dating options with two hands! Any in-house salvation (if this will ever be possible) will come long after most of you in child bearing age would have passed it, so do yourself a big favour and seriously prospect your out-of-race options!

Indeed what does this 90% of married bm marry bw statistic suggest to us, is it that bw are no longer interested in marriage, they are too independent maybe? I am unconvinced that bw do not want commitment from men and even those who are put off by disappointing behaviour in men would have a rethink if they found men who didn’t disappoint. The statistics suggests a number of key things. An abysmal number of bm are at present interested in getting married. Marriage-resistant bm are at an all time high in the black community leaving a significant section of bw no choice but to look outwards. Anti-marriage attitudes are also very self-sustaining in the community particularly towards bw due to racio-misogynic reinforcement. The situation is further complicated by the surplus of bw available to bm. Bw cannot hope to change such unfavourable in-house odds facing us as a whole (even a million women's march wouldnt begin to redress the problem) which would require a culture shift and a few generations to begin to change.

In conclussion, it is fascinating to note that white men could potentially marry more bw than bm seem willing to take to the altar!

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Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

These Desperate Beyond Repair
black women also play the sympathy card.


Pointing out that BW have never been able to, and cannot now, depend on BM for defense or support isn't a ploy for sympathy--it's simply a statement of fact.

Black women have all this freedom to talk trash about black men and proclaim their love for white men. In Saudi they would be stoned for talking about men like that.

And in Saudi Arabia, YOU would be stoned for daring to speak to women in this manner.

American BM as a group would be social outcasts in most of the non-Western world for their persistent inability/unwillingness to marry, support and defend their women and children, and fill the traditional roles of husband, father, breadwinner, and head of household. So I guess we should all be grateful that we live here instead, huh? :-)

As as is typical for a DBRBM, you enjoy pointing to other cultures where men are regarded with higher esteem, but you don't enjoy acknowledging the greater responsibilities that those men bear in order to earn that higher esteem.

Like all sociopaths you are a parasite, and believe taking without giving is your birthright. Thus BW owe you blind, unending allegience and support, even though you offer us nothing but hostility, disrespect, exploitation and abuse. And like any conscienceless predator, when backed in a corner you turn vicious, and resort to gutter insults aimed at the very women you claim owe you loyalty.

Anonymous said...

There are many black man nerds who think they are too good a catch for a black woman nerd because she isn't "fine" enough, so they're down in Brazil right now trying save a prostitute because they sincerely don't think black women fit their beauty bill. Black men trying to date out of their league on the beauty scale is the reason they can't find a black women when the numbers are so disproportionately in their favor! Nerdy black women get overlooked each and every day. Everywhere black men go (except the jailhouse), there are mor black women than black men. On any college campus today, there are at least 3 black women to each black male student. He could find somebody if he really wanted a good woman.



YES!!!!!!!!!! I'm so tired of this "you only want thugs" bullshit. We (my experience) have been in the numerical majority since 9th grade. The ratio of bm to bw was 5.2:1 in law school. Cut the bullshit argument. The problem is too many bm watch too many videos & think that being a 5 w/o a record entitles you to a 10.

I would much rather have a bm tell me that he is not physically attractive to bw, then tell me he can't find one "on his level". THAT is the ultimate insult and lie. We surpass them at the undergraduate level and on many graduate levels. I don't know about b-school or med-school.

Anonymous said...

^^attractED^^

As as is typical for a DBRBM, you enjoy pointing to other cultures where men are regarded with higher esteem, but you don't enjoy acknowledging the greater responsibilities that those men bear in order to earn that higher esteem.

!!!!! This kills me. To get the "big piece of chicken", you have to place yourself in a position where you can be gainfully employed, successful. There are too many DBR who want all the benefits of manhood, but none of the responsibility. In many cultures, it's shameful for a woman to go to work (I don't agree w/ this being forced). A man will take care of his wife & she does the cooking, cleaning etc...

How many bm do you know with a BLACK housewife??? Noooo, that would be goldigging. But they'll break themselves trying to make sure the non-black wife can keep up w/ her peers.

Anonymous said...

How many bm do you know with a BLACK housewife??? Noooo, that would be goldigging.
I know one. He's a great guy, and his wife is great too.
And they live in Saudi Arabia now. LOL.

Anonymous said...

And in Saudi Arabia, YOU would be stoned for daring to speak to women in this manner.

American BM as a group would be social outcasts in most of the non-Western world for their persistent inability/unwillingness to marry, support and defend their women and children, and fill the traditional roles of husband, father, breadwinner, and head of household. So I guess we should all be grateful that we live here instead, huh? :-)


Interesting. Kola Boof, a black womanist, was forced against her will to have sex with Saudi born Osama Bin Laden in the home of Prince Ruspolli of Morocco. Islamic groups have sentenced her to death because she speaks out against the rape and brutality black Somali women face at the hands of Arabs.

There is also a price on the head of black feminist Ayaan Hirsi Ali for her participation in the film "Submission" which exposes the abuse of women in Islam. She also expresses how she was forced by her father to marry and submit to a stranger and how she was circumcized as a child.

Halima said...

Hey Ladies dont worry about the abusive posts as i will be along to delete them, so dont bother to respond to any abuse. I will only allow posts that have some semblence of logic that we need to engage with.

Anonymous said...

I guess it didn't occur to this "good brotha" that being a good black man might entail DEFENDING BW from disrespectful treatment.

Ok, lets understand. This is my very first time looking at the blog since my last post yesterday. The only reason I am on it now was to do no more than lurk, since it was expressed by several individuals, including the owner of this blog, that my opinion was neither valued nor desired and that it was preferred that I not post here. Thus, the type of individual I am, I respected the owners wishes as well as the popular opinion, and resigned to do no more than occasionally lurk.

But since I was apparently brought up, I will just say this. Beyond several expressing the desire not to hear from me, at least two attacked and were quite disrespectful toward me. Notably evia and emergingphoenix who questioned the validity of my relationship with my wife. Thus, with the attacks, disrespect, shunning, etc., I'm still expected to come here and defend the honor of those who have attacked and disrespected me.

THIS, ladies, is a constant dynamic between black men and black women. Black women commonly feel no restraint in loud talking, openly criticizing, insulting, degrading, attacking, etc. black men, yet still expect those same men to defend their honor.

Why is my opinion of no value, yet my defense of your honor is valued?

Now the name calling is not cool and not my style and I think that the black men who come here should refrain from such behavior, but I don't see the men as attacking black women. They are attacking the commenters on Black Women's IR Circle. Black men, white men, white women or any individual who expresses the same contempt for black men expressed on this site would probably be attacked by these same individuals in the same way and possibly worse. So I suggest not confusing their attacking you for your opinions with them attacking you because of your race and gender. And understand that respect is a two way street. I'll just leave it at that.

Red

Anonymous said...

And one more note. My wife was a housewife for several years until our kids got older. She then went to work solely because it was her desire to do so.

Red

Anonymous said...

Hey Ladies dont worry about the abusive posts as i will be along to delete them, so dont bother to respond to any abuse. I will only allow posts that have some semblance of logic that we need to engage with.

Kewl Halima!

Have your finger poised over the delete button because the pests will continue to crawl out of the woodwork as their exposed to the light.

And REMEMBER just because a poster refrains from using abusively racist & filthy language DOESN'T mean their posts are therefore logical and worthy of not being deleted.

There's a new poster who especially comes to mind...

As always it's your call since it's your blog.

Just something to think about.

Halima said...

Red you dont need to defend us we dont need it. the commentor just made that comment about defending bw in passing, it wasnt a request for your assisatnce.

i am not suprised that you didnt see the lewd comments that have been made between the time of your first post and now as no big deal. But no suprises here, i can assure you!

Can i respectfully request that you cease from posting here. Thank you!

Anonymous said...

Beyond several expressing the desire not to hear from me, at least two attacked and were quite disrespectful toward me. Notably evia and emergingphoenix who questioned the validity of my relationship with my wife. Thus, with the attacks, disrespect, shunning, etc., I'm still expected to come here and defend the honor of those who have attacked and disrespected me.

But, of course, most of the women here did not disrespect you. They certainly expressed curiosity as to why you were here, but most of them responded to you in a completely rational and respectful manner. Do those women merit some defense?

THIS, ladies, is a constant dynamic between black men and black women. Black women commonly feel no restraint in loud talking, openly criticizing, insulting, degrading, attacking, etc. black men, yet still expect those same men to defend their honor.

Actually, the constant dynamic involves BM refusing to accept responsibility for their own behavior. No one here was using foul language and engaging in anything approaching degradation until some of your "brothas" showed up. I think we're all curious as to why you can confront us, but you will not confront them?

Black men, white men, white women or any individual who expresses the same contempt for black men expressed on this site would probably be attacked by these same individuals in the same way and possibly worse.

But, of course, they're not attacking BM, WM, or WW--they're attacking who they always attack: BW. And you conveniently ignore the issue of whether the "contempt" expressed is in anyway MERITED. To attack people who you have treated badly for having contempt for you makes no sense.

So I suggest not confusing their attacking you for your opinions with them attacking you because of your race and gender. And understand that respect is a two way street. I'll just leave it at that.

So let me get this straight--referring to the posters here as "nappyheaded hoes" does not constitute an attack on our race and gender? And "the two-way street of respect" requires that we withhold well-earned, reasonable, and completely factual criticism from DBRBM in order to avoid being called "cum-guzzlers"? Because BW only deserve respect from BM to the extent that we refrain from criticising you?

Anonymous said...

And word up to the DBR BM trolls, EVERYONE knows that the REAL racist good ol' white boys are devising ways THIS VERY MINUTE to take care of the DBR BM problem and don't have time to waste on this site!LOL

Is this suppose to scare bm? lol You're pathetic. You probably want to abort your half-black son once you learn the gender.

It must have scared YOU enough to respond to the comment.lol YOU'RE the one who's pathetic sir. And for your information my white husband and I were both OVERJOYED upon finding out the genders of our children.

DBR BM don't represent NON DBR BM and they CERTAINLY don't represent BIRACIAL sons born to BW and WM couples.

You don't have to worry about my sons. Save that concern for the children DBR BM are bringing into this world.

THEY need it.

Anonymous said...

Actually, the constant dynamic involves BM refusing to accept responsibility for their own behavior.

WORD.

No one here was using foul language and engaging in anything approaching degradation until some of your "brothas" showed up.

GOOD POINT.

I think we're all curious as to why you can confront us, but you will not confront them?

BECAUSE HE'S A COWARD LIKE THE OTHER "GOOD BLACK MEN". THAT'S WHY.

Anonymous said...

Like all sociopaths you are a parasite, and believe taking without giving is your birthright. Thus BW owe you blind, unending allegience and support, even though you offer us nothing but hostility, disrespect, exploitation and abuse. And like any conscienceless predator, when backed in a corner you turn vicious, and resort to gutter insults aimed at the very women you claim owe you loyalty.

You've got the DBR BM mindset PEGGED anonymous.

And you are correct, they are conscienceless predators. Any smart BW who cares about her physical and psychological safety (and that of her future children) will avoid these predators like the plague.

EmergingPhoenix said...
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EmergingPhoenix said...

@Red - Give me a break. I did not call you any names, nor did I disrespect you. You came here preaching about all the "mistakes" you think bw make. I simply don't agree with you, or your assessments. I have heard that all before, and witnessed those same men contradict themselves in their own actions. Furthermore, with all of your contempt for what you say you have witnessed with black women, you sound bitter towards the women you think rejected you, and I wholeheartedly stand by that. I did question your relationship in your marriage, b/c with you pushing the same old bs, I have to wonder. No disrespect. You could have chosen to ignore it, or respond. I stand by that, and it is in no way an insult. It is simply just a question, that you have caused me to wonder about. I do not know you or your wife, so I need to ask questions.

And if my demeanor warrants such rude and vile disrespect, then I have to say, you have put the nail in the coffin for me. At this point, with the display I have seen from bm on here and other sites, I doubt I will ever date another one. My desire for them is truly just fading, especially since my desire stems from a mental being rather than a physical one. Everytime you come on here assaulting us, I have to wonder if the next bm I encounter, shares your sentiment and that of the other bm here. Because you all say you date bw, but you have shown bitter resentment against bw in general, you have said very hateful things in regards to bw beauty and femininity. If you make an "exception" for me or any other bw, you will still be carrying this resentment, and see me as the exception to the rule. I don't want that kind of person in my life, nor do I want that kind of person affecting/shaping the lives of any children I bring into this world. You have disgraced yourself in an attempt to disgrace us.

Sandra Bass said...

Preach EmergingPhoenix,

I think the bms who post on this board are holding out on some fantasy that if they just prove there are "good" black men out there we'll just get back in the fold.

Get real! We're here because we've moved on...the question is why haven't you? There are plenty of women who will deal with you all...they're just not on this blog so why waste your time.

Anonymous said...

BECAUSE HE'S A COWARD LIKE THE OTHER "GOOD BLACK MEN". THAT'S WHY.

That would include your daddy right?

You're kind of dumb, so let me explain so that your simple mind can understand. The man said that you so-called "ladies" told him that his opinion was not wanted around here. Thus, you became individuals who were no longer worthy of his defense. And I agree. I'd defend a hooker being beaten by her pimp before I defend you Desperate Beyond Repair "women".

Anonymous said...

It's quite interesting that most of you are from California or New York, the two states with the largest number of weirdoes. LOL

Anonymous said...

"BECAUSE HE'S A COWARD LIKE THE OTHER "GOOD BLACK MEN". THAT'S WHY.

That would include your daddy right?"

No, but it most likely would include yours. If you know who is.

My father isn't CLAIMING to be a good black man like most DBR "brothas" are these days, he IS one.

There's a CLEAR difference you see.

And he certainly isn't trolling message-boards geared towards BW exploring their IR options. Degrading himself, spreading filth, and lying like you and your DBR brethren.

He's too busy BEING a good man period.

Don't ya'll have anything better to do with your time?

And for the record, I'D defend a cop locking up a DBR BM's ass ANY day of the week. Because judging from the low level of intelligence displayed by your kind, coupled with your extremely aggressive & anti-social nature, ya'll are a danger to society AND yourself.

Ya'll need to be either put away or put down. For EVERYBODY'S good.

Because like pit bulls, it doesn't take much for you DBR black "men" to turn vicious and dangerous.

Anonymous said...

Looks like someone struck a nerve!LOL Was it the daddy part?

We all know that close to 70% of black children have been abandoned by their black "daddies"/sperm donors.

And we certainly know the damage this fatherlessness inflicts on black boys. Turns them into the disturbed monsters we say today.

And the damaged souls we see trailing and hounding sistas on a blog that has nothing to do with them.

Don't sweat the this troll anon@1:49am. Some of us did have normal, loving fathers and that's why we don't accept sh!t like most sistas do.

We all know the only ones addicted - and high on hate - are the DBR BM trolls who continually have to get their fix in a forum that doesn't have anything to do with them.

Yet they can't seem to let go.

Pretty sad and sick...

But what's new there.

Anonymous said...

Ya'll need to be either put away or put down. For EVERYBODY'S good.

Oh they're being put away.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0881455.html

Prison Population Exceeds Two Million
According to a Justice Department report released in July 2003, the U.S. prison population surpassed 2 million for the first time—2,166,260 people were incarcerated in prisons or jails at the end of 2002 (the latest statistics available). Since 1990, the U.S. prison population, already the world's largest, has almost doubled.

About two-thirds of prisoners were in state and federal prisons, while the rest were in local jails. The report does not count all juvenile offenders, but noted that there were more than 10,000 inmates under age 18 held in adult prisons and jails in 2002. The number of women in federal and state prisons reached 97,491.

About 10.4% of the entire African-American male population in the United States aged 25 to 29 was incarcerated, by far the largest racial or ethnic group—by comparison, 2.4% of Hispanic men and 1.2% of white men in that same age group were incarcerated. According to a report by the Justice Policy Institute in 2002, the number of black men in prison has grown to five times the rate it was twenty years ago. Today, more African-American men are in jail than in college. In 2000 there were 791,600 black men in prison and 603,032 enrolled in college. In 1980, there were 143,000 black men in prison and 463,700 enrolled in college.

Anonymous said...

Today, more African-American men are in jail than in college.

It's a shame that people post this garbage. Men of all ages are in prison. College age is generally between 18 and 24. There are twice as many college aged men in college than in prison. And black women are nearly half the women's prison population despite being 13% of the female population. Black women are diagnosed with HIV at 25 times the rate of white women while black men are diagnosed at 8 times the rate of white men.

Anonymous said...

LOL And it apparently is those males who didn't have a daddy in the house who feel the MOST threatened at the fact that growing numbers of BW aren't cursing their children by giving them DBR black daddies.

Instead BW are choosing actual men who'll be involved in their children's lives.

Most DBR BM didn't have this benefit you must remember. That's one of the reasons why they're f-cked up to begin with.

So in addition to rage there's jealousy involved here too.

The the thought that some child out there is going to get what they didn't get when they were young.

Desperate and damaged beyond repair BM trolling IR message boards oriented towards BW.

Working out their angst.LOL

So sad...

EmergingPhoenix said...

*YAWN* Well, I am tired of addressing the trolls. I have grown weary of their childishness. SO!!! Back to the topic. Apparently...as evidenced by this thread...we need to just ignore all bm. What's funny, is they think most of us have a problem dating out, when in fact, most of us here already have, and will continue to do so.

In addition to a post addressing how to counter women who REFUSE to date out, I would like to see a post on how bw can be more supportive of each other. I think another big problem is a lack of sisterhood. I mean from time immemorial, women have done things as a group. We have separated seed together, we have cleaned together, we have battled together, we have knitted together, we have formed communities to raise children together, but yet today it is hard to find bw who are not in some mode of desperation to find a man, and therefore willing to sell their sister up the river to do so. If the bond and band of unity in message among the DBR bm here doesn't convince you to stop focusing on them, then we still have a long way to go. There is nothing stronger than a female bond...with anyone (male or female).

I should be writing my responses to my class discussion, but I needed a distraction. Arggg!!! So forgive my flippant demands. LOL!!

EmergingPhoenix said...

Oh oh oh!!! I hate to out myself as a procrastinator, but I was again wasting time surfing when I should be posting to my discussion thread and came across this site (kinda old), that revealed a lot of interested wm. Click on the link. OK, I am back to work!! LOL!!

Halima said...

About 10.4% of the entire African-American male population in the United States aged 25 to 29 was incarcerated, by far the largest racial or ethnic group—by comparison, 2.4% of Hispanic men and 1.2% of white men in that same age group were incarcerated. According to a report by the Justice Policy Institute in 2002, the number of black men in prison has grown to five times the rate it was twenty years ago. Today, more African-American men are in jail than in college. In 2000 there were 791,600 black men in prison and 603,032 enrolled in college. In 1980, there were 143,000 black men in prison and 463,700 enrolled in college.

^^^ and yet all these folks are trying to convice us that bw choose thugs because they like to, not because they have little choice!

Anonymous said...

Hey Halima,

Talk about bw access to a pool of "good black men". Check this out:

• 49% of prison inmates nationally are African American, compared to their 13% share of the
overall population.
• Nearly one in three (32%) black males in the age group 20-29 is under some form of criminal
justice supervision on any given day -- either in prison or jail, or on probation or parole.
• As of 1995, one in fourteen (7%) adult black males was incarcerated in prison or jail on any
given day, representing a doubling of this rate from 1985. The 1995 figure for white males
was 1%.
• A black male born in 1991 has a 29% chance of spending time in prison at some point in his
life. The figure for white males is 4%, and for Hispanics, 16%.

How can young bw be criticized for making bad choices, when the bad men are the norm? What concerns me as a bw of 36 years old is that the date is nearly silent on how many bm in my age group have been in the "care" of the justice system! How many of us have had pastors, friends and family try to coerce us into giving these 'brothas' a chance?! I laugh each time I think about it!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous

And black women are nearly half the women's prison population despite being 13% of the female population. Black women are diagnosed with HIV at 25 times the rate of white women while black men are diagnosed at 8 times the rate of white men.

That's even MORE reason for sistas to leave ya'll alone.


Almost every negative statistic regarding BW is related somehow to them being involved with DBR BM.

I don't know if anyone's planning to see Bill duke's new movie Cover when it's released but it might be worth checking out.

Education is power.

http://www.safesearching.com
/officialbillduke/videos.html

What led you to this project?

BD: Well, a couple of things. AIDS is a very, very, very vicious disease, particularly in the black community. Black women are the number one victims of AIDS in our country right now. It's like an epidemic proportion and surely after I got involved in the project, my goddaughter came to the family and told us that she was HIV positive and she's been married for 12 years. So, that's the betrayal we're talking about.

Evia said...

Yes, I definitely plan to see Bill Duke's movie. After reading about what he's doing to prevent sistas from being infected by bm who got AIDS in prison or elsewhwere, I did a blog on this.

http://bfinterracialmarriage.blogspot.com/2006/07/man-sharing-and-hiv-among-black-women.html

I applaud Mr. Dukes for this movie/documentary because this is a critical form of protection of black women, keeping us disease-free. Due to the man-sharing that some bw feel compelled to engage in since some subscribe to the "nothin but a black man" conditioning, some sistas don't feel they can negotiate safe sex. This, in effect, enables bm to dictate the terms of sex and if a "brotha" refuses to wear a condom, then some sistas just go along just to feel a man's arms around them, just to feel loved. (SMH)

This was one of my strongest motivations for continuing my blog. I felt compelled to convey to young bw that they can easily negotiate safe sex and have the right kind of love will all the trimmings because they can CHOOSE from a very wide selection of men, many of whom are willing to give them love and commitment.

We MUST free bw from this notion that they must jeopardize their emotional and physical health and sacrifice themselves just to get a little "love."

This type of freedom is one of the absolute best gifts you can give any bw--FREEDOM of choice in men because if she "feels" she has very few choices, then she can easily make the wrong choice and the impact of this wrong choice will last for generations and will cause untold suffering.

Anonymous said...

Indeed rasisng 70% of all aa children single handedly is just cake walk isnt it, it doesnt cout as part of the self-sacrifice?

46% of black families are headed by two parents, so 70% is not accurate. Being born out of wedlock doesn't always equate to growing up in a single parent household. People marry after the birth of their children and children grow up with step parents.

Also, I think that it is wrong to say that single mothers sacrifice more. That is almost an insult to mothers who are not single. A person who sacrifices is a person who goes beyond the call of duty for the good of someone else, or for some larger good. Providing the necessities for you own kids is a burnden, but not a sacrifice. It is your obligation in my book. It's just like a job. Just because your job involves more taxing work than mine doesn't mean that you sacrifice more than me. It means that I am more fortunate than you in that regard or that I better prepared myself to get a less taxing job.

Single mothers have a heavier burden, but I don't consider them as being more sacrificing than married mothers and the burden of single mothers is often compensated by social programs and help from extended families. This is why most single mothers don't work full time and a large number don't work at all.

From personal experience, I have actually have friends who spend child support money on themselves instead of their children and single mothers are overrepresented in child neglect cases. So to me, being a single mother doesn't make you a greater sacrificer. It just means that you are in a non-preferential situation.

Anonymous said...

http://www.diversityinc.com/public/2174.cfm

"What Black Men Think" reveals that 2 percent of HIV/AIDS cases in black women were contracted from black men. Furthermore, 50 percent of black women WHO DIED from AIDS contracted the disease from intravenous-drug use or sex with an intravenous-drug user.

Anonymous said...

We MUST free bw from this notion that they must jeopardize their emotional and physical health and sacrifice themselves just to get a little "love."

This type of freedom is one of the absolute best gifts you can give any bw--FREEDOM of choice in men because if she "feels" she has very few choices, then she can easily make the wrong choice and the impact of this wrong choice will last for generations and will cause untold suffering.


Exactly. Black women must free THEMSELVES.

And I'll consider believing stats from ANY other organization besides "What Black Men Think". That group has a vested interest in pretending (and promoting the lie) that things "aren't so bad" concerning the state of black males when we all know they are.

EmergingPhoenix said...

Splitting hairs and showing your contempt for bw again, are we? I wonder how many women here are on welfare, or are infected with AIDS? These men are definitely mad, that the bs they push is not the reality of a lot of bw here. These tactics are merely a way to "put us in our place", for those of us, who seem to have forgotten how wretched we are. LOL!! I guess my upper middle class raised, financially independent, educated, successful, motivated, beautiful, happy, energetic, giggly butt, better get in line at the poor house and the clinic quick, b/c apparently they know something about me, that I don't know. LOL!!

Anonymous said...

"These men are definitely mad, that the bs they push is not the reality of a lot of bw here."

The bull sh*t they push ONLY applies to those unfortunate BW who made the tragic mistake of getting involved with (some truly unknowingly) DBR BM to begin with. The tragic mistake of immersing themselves in polluted and toxic environments because out of ignorance they felt that was their only choice.

And it's a HEAVY price these sistas are paying. ALONE.

That's why it's VITALLY important for BW to realize they have OTHER choices.

They don't have to fall into these grim statistics.

What happens to you in this world is a CHOICE. A mindset that leads to success or failure.

DIFFERENT choices, DIFFERENT outcomes. Change your mind, change your LIFE.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

"What Black Men Think" reveals that 2 percent of HIV/AIDS cases in black women were contracted from black men. Furthermore, 50 percent of black women WHO DIED from AIDS contracted the disease from intravenous-drug use or sex with an intravenous-drug user.

Perhaps this is what black men think, but what reality reveals, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, is that:

For black women, the most common ways of getting HIV are (in order)

1. having unprotected sex with a man who has HIV


2. sharing injection drug works (like needles or syringes) with someone who has HIV

For black men, the most common ways of getting HIV are (in order)

1. having unprotected sex with another man who has HIV

2. sharing injection drug works (like needles or syringes) with someone who has HIV

3. having unprotected sex with a woman who has HIV


http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/aa/index.htm

Black men make up the single largest demographic group (approximately 140,024) in this country living with AIDS. White men are next, at approximately 136,609. Black women are third, making up far and away the largest group of American women with AIDS, at approximately 81,256.

Sisters, you do the math, and figure out where the greatest threat to your health and well-being can be found.

Anonymous said...

anon@8:37 p.m. Thanks for the Centers for Disease Control Data. I believe them more than I believe "What Black Men Think" anyday. How absurd that anyone should believe data based on what people think rather than real science and research!

The ongoing disinformation campaign from the black "men" who visit this site really is turning me against black men. I'd have to be a really ignorant woman to ignore their attack against me doing what is in my self interest.

Anonymous said...

Sisters, you do the math, and figure out where the greatest threat to your health and well-being can be found.

Done it. Thank you for that information anon.

As is often the case, there is a disconnect between what black men think and reality.

It's vitally important that the truth is put out there.

Anonymous said...

When I read the "What Black men Think" quote, the capitalization of "who died" tells me how the figures were skewed to help the argument. Since HIV is known to lie dormant for decades, the death process take years. The dramtic rise in HIV among black women lies with our NEW INFECTION rates have shot up in the last decade as black men engage in risky behaviors while either incarcerated or dating "down low".

Two years ago, the San Francisco Chronicle ran a series on the black women HIV infection epidemic. One of the stories focused on a woman who was married to a preacher who had engaged in homosexual activity all the while pretending to be straight. That's how low our "brothas" can go with their ceception and selfishness!

Anonymous said...

http://news.oneindia.in/2007/03/01/down-low-myth-distorts-hiv-research-prevention-1172729730.html

"Down low" myth distorts HIV research, prevention

Thursday, March 01 2007 08:56 (IST)

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NEW YORK, Mar 1 (Reuters) Mistaken assumptions about black sexuality are finding their way into scientific research on the spread of HIV, and this could do more to fuel risky behavior than prevent it, authors of a new commentary warn.

Reports on African-American men who identify themselves as straight but secretly have sex with men -- dubbed the ''down low'' lifestyle -- first appeared when men who said they were part of this subculture wrote books about it and the media picked up the story, Dr Chandra L Ford of Columbia University in New York City, the commentary's lead author, told Reuters Health.

''Part of what has happened as a result of that initial burst of stories reporting the 'down low' is that those stories often tied the down low to high rates of HIV infection among African-American women, which was not supported by epidemiological data,'' Ford added. ''There were a lot of assumptions, there were a lot of leaps of faith that led to that.'' Despite the non-scientific source, epidemiologists began doing research based on the idea that black men living the down low lifestyle were driving the spread of HIV, she and her colleagues note in their article in the Annals of Epidemiology.

This assumption was mistaken in many ways, they explain.

First of all, the practice of straight men secretly having sex with men is seen across all ethnic groups.

Also, Ford notes, while black men and women have higher rates of HIV infection than other ethnic groups, they also report fewer risk behaviors, suggesting researchers should look elsewhere to understand the disparity.

For example, she adds, having a bacterial sexually transmitted infection can increase the risk of both transmitting and contracting HIV, and it is possible such infections may be more common among blacks than whites due to poorer access to health care.

Research has refuted the claim that black men living the down low lifestyle are driving the spread of HIV, Ford said, but the perception that this is the case remains, even in the epidemiology community. She points to a dean at a colleague's school who urged researchers to study ''the down low'' after seeing a TV segment on it.

The view of black sexuality as deviant and diseased has deep roots, Ford noted, pointing to the way the public and the medical community viewed syphilis in the early 20th century as a disease of the black community.

Not only could perceptions of the down low drive the men actually pursuing such a lifestyle further underground, making them less likely to get care, said Ford, it also draws attention away from interventions that could be truly effective, such as routine HIV testing of all adults.

''HIV-AIDS is a social disease, so that means that there are social phenomena that influence the spread of the disease,'' Ford said. ''We have to be as rigorous about understanding the social phenomena as we would be if we were studying how a microbe influences disease progression.'' REUTERS BDP RK0840

Anonymous said...

Research has refuted the claim that black men living the down low lifestyle are driving the spread of HIV, Ford said, but the perception that this is the case remains, even in the epidemiology community. She points to a dean at a colleague's school who urged researchers to study ''the down low'' after seeing a TV segment on it.

I'd like to see this research. Personally, I'll go with what the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have found.

''We have to be as rigorous about understanding the social phenomena as we would be if we were studying how a microbe influences disease progression.''

The social phenomena is BW man sharing (knowingly and unknowingly) with BM who've made a career out of going in and out of the prison system. That and BW's refusal (because of fear of what the "community" might think) to consider broadening their options and seeking good compatible mates from populations of men with lower rates of HIV.

Anonymous said...

The CDC never said that "down low" men are the reason for the black female level of HIV. Research is proving that it has little to with it. If black women are contracting HIV from any non-drug using black men, those men overwhelmingly contracted it from black women.

Men of all races will probably always be the larger numbers in contracting HIV because of male homosexuals (lesbians have very little risk). The thing is proportions. If black men are 8 times more likely to contract HIV than white men, why are black women not 8 times more likely to contract it than white women? Instead, black women are 24 times more likely than white women. That's serious.

That and BW's refusal (because of fear of what the "community" might think) to consider broadening their options and seeking good compatible mates from populations of men with lower rates of HIV.

But wouldn't broadening those options increase the rates of HIV in those men from other populations? Couldn't black men equally claim that by chasing only white women, they would decrease their chances of contracting HIV by a factor of 24?

Anonymous said...

10:33 PM Anonymous said... "Couldn't black men equally claim that by chasing only white women, they would decrease their chances of contracting HIV by a factor "
DBRM can and do claim anything they want with blessings and best wishes as long as they keep it to themselves - it matters not to the women here.

Don't know - don't care- evaluate the men/people in your life based on the quality of their character and the way they treat you and if they are aligned with what you value and respect. These dreadful trolls and the statistics are a cautionary tale to be smart be safe, be sure to do what is best for you. When someone comes into your life make sure you trust but verify a healthy person will understand the caution and precautions and if they don't it is not worth the risk. Wise women make wise choices and keep their eye on the ball.


V/r


Clarice

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

The CDC never said that "down low" men are the reason for the black female level of HIV. Research is proving that it has little to with it.

What research has proven this?

If black women are contracting HIV from any non-drug using black men, those men overwhelmingly contracted it from black women.

Through 2005, the CDC found approximately 761,722 reported AIDS cases in men in the U.S. Of that number, approximately 61,438 were described as occuring through "high risk heterosexual contact," i.e. "Heterosexual contact with a person known to have, or to be at high risk for, HIV infection." The remaining transmissions--in descending order--were through male-to-male sexual contact, intravenuous drug use, or male-to-male sexual contact AND intravenous drug use.

Again ladies--you do the math.

wouldn't broadening those options increase the rates of HIV in those men from other populations?

Not if the women who are broadening their options start out healthy, and are committed to staying that way. :-)

Couldn't black men equally claim that by chasing only white women, they would decrease their chances of contracting HIV by a factor of 24?

I'm sure you could--indeed, I'm sure you will; unfortunately, since BM are the primary vectors of this disease, you would be mistaken.

Anonymous said...

Sisters should avoid black men at all costs. There is no guarantee the church going, educated brother won't cheat and infect you with a deadly virus.

Again, it's not worth your life ladies, regardless of how bad you want a child or are afraid of being alone.

The ladies contributing to this site are helping you find ways to be with men who won't present that deadly risk to you.

This can be tough to take but, it's too risky to chance it with black man these days. I tell this to my cousins all the time.

- a black man who cares-

Anonymous said...

It's painfully obvious why white, Asian, and Hispanic women have lower cases of the virus than BW.

It's because the vast majority of women sexually active with BM - who have the highest percentage of AIDS amongst all groups - are BW. Not white, Asian, and Hispanic.

IR oriented white woman are ALSO increasingly taking a hit from infected BM.

There are plenty of these cases...

Hols fiend gives 6 girls HIV

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006420583,,00.html

Anonymous said...

"wouldn't broadening those options increase the rates of HIV in those men from other populations?"

Not if the women who are broadening their options start out healthy, and are committed to staying that way. :-)

STOP, REWIND THAT, AND PLAY IT AGAIN.

Anonymous said...

- a black man who cares-

LOL at this DBR black woman pretending to be a man.

Anonymous said...

This is a very good commentary on the whole situation with AIDS and black females. Good reading:

http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/rnr/379719612.html

Anonymous said...

Hols fiend gives 6 girls HIV

So you use an African immigrant to the UK as an example? So now you hate black men world wide? Evia is not going to like you dogging her beloved African men.

Halima said...

I like the phrase 'U do the math', often we think that bw don have the faculties to reason issues out for themselves. i believe they do, but for a time it suited them to disengage with their critical faculties. but now that they see that there is a gathering support for them they will re-engage and do what they have to.

U DBR men who are up in here thinking you have some sort of intelligent reposte are wasting ur time; there is just too much light in here for u to pull that BS off!

BW remeber these:

the HIV man-woman transmission rate is far higher than woman-man. This along with the fact that bw are still overwhelmingly carrying out their relationships with bm explains why the virus is being concentrated amog bw.

No amout of 'protect the bm' spin can head this fact off. however something to note from the spin; the black commuity is willing to sacrifice more bw to HIV than own up and protect vulnerable females, which means bw value to them is low. so bw protect yourself or die!

remeber that if you have the ir option in hand, you know there is always another fish in the sea and therefore you can enforce 'no glove no love' with any man black or white!

Evia said...

remeber that if you have the ir option in hand, you know there is always another fish in the sea and therefore you can enforce 'no glove no love' with any man black or white!

Thank You, Halima!! With the IR option, a bw is in the STRONGEST position to choose the BEST possible mate for herself because she has a wide selection to choose from--just like other populations of women. So many DBRbm are DETERMINED to keep bw's gaze LOCKED on them.

So sistas, the next time ANY DBR man whines that "it don't feel as good when it's covered up" or threatens you with "I'm gonna get me a white woman," be happy to LET HIM GO!

I ask again: Why should bw have to take all the hits?

And to that Anon who said I won't like anybody saying anything negative about African men, Lawd haf mercy--that's so pathetic and transparent. LOL! That is such an elementary attempt to instigate or pit me against my sistas. (smh)

Now Hear This: I am a black womanist!!! You showed with that comment that you have no inkling of what a black womanist is. But here's a clue--you need to GO BACK TO SCHOOL LOL!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

"This is a very good commentary on the whole situation with AIDS and black females. Good reading:

http://newyork.craigslist.org
/mnh/rnr/379719612.html"



LOL Anon@12:32AM,

I've got some good commentary FOR YOU. VERY important reading:

Fact Sheet: HIV/AIDS among African Americans

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/aa
/resources/factsheets/aa.htm

Black women are most likely to be infected with HIV as a result of sex with men who are infected with HIV [2]. They may not be aware of their male partners’ possible risk factors for HIV infection, such as unprotected sex with multiple partners, bisexuality, or injection drug use [6, 7]. Sexual contact is also the main risk factor for black men. Male-to-male sexual contact was the primary risk factor for 48% of black men with HIV/AIDS at the end of 2005, and high-risk heterosexual contact was the primary risk factor for 22% [2].

Sista's DO THE MATH.

Anonymous said...

Now Hear This: I am a black womanist!!! You showed with that comment that you have no inkling of what a black womanist is. But here's a clue--you need to GO BACK TO SCHOOL LOL!!!!!!

Delores Williams, in her book Sisters in the Wilderness, defines womanism as:

“a prophetic voice concerned about the well-being of the entire African American community, male and female, adults and children."

You, madam, are not a womanist.

Anonymous said...

You, madam, are not a womanist.

Let's go further:

Patricia Hill Collins said:

"many black women view feminism as a movement that at best, is exclusively for women, and, at worst, dedicated to attacking or eliminating men … Womanism seemingly supplies a way for black women to address gender-oppression without attacking black men."

Alice Walker said that a womanist:

"Appreciates and prefers women's culture … and women's strength … committed to survival and wholeness of entire people, male and female. NOT A SEPARATIST … Womanist is to feminist as purple is to lavender."

So it seems that some have taken a wonderful concept and attempted to alter it for nefarious reasons.

Anonymous said...

it seems that some have taken a wonderful concept and attempted to alter it for nefarious reasons.

Yeah, the neferious reason of freeing bw from the blood suckers and parasites riding on her back!

Anonymous said...

Just as long as an individual sistas personal definition of the term black womanist gets HER where SHE needs and wishes to be regarding relationships, and other important areas of HER life, IT DOESN'T MATTER what Patricia Hill Collins', Alice Walker's, or ANYONE else's definition of the term is.

All that matters is BW need to start putting THEMSELVES first and foremost for a change. Before and above anyone else.

It doesn't matter if you call it black womanism or not. That's not the point.

No one "owns" that term. People are free to attach any meaning they wish to it.

And black women can't fully address the issue of gender-oppression unless they properly identify those promoting and benefiting from it. Pointing out the destructive and damaged beyond repair behavior of some BM, and discussing ways to avoid being victimized by them, is an excellent way to start addressing this problem.

Evia said...

You, madam, are not a womanist.

Wow, I'm shattered! LOL!!!

No person can or should help any other adult unless they can help themselves because self-preservation is the first law of nature. However, numerous bw are definitely NOT preserving themselves FIRST as they use up their meager resources of time, energy, money, neglect their health, etc. investing first and foremost in the community and black men who certainly don't provide and protect these very same women or their children by these women AND THIS IS QUITE OBVIOUS to anyone who will see it.

These numerous black men certainly don't place these women or their children by the women at the top of the list of their priorities as they should and as both of my husbands have done for me and our children. Bw and children are not at the top of the list of priorities of numerous black men or the priority of most black communities. Black women are instead the MULES of the community. I certainly see how the welfare of black women and children is de-prioritized many times over in every black community that I've been in. The women and children are not provided for or protected or anyone's priority. They are AFTERTHOUGHTS.

If a black woman is not looking out for herself, FIRST AND FOREMOST, she is very misguided and this shows that she has been conditioned against herself. So, as a black womanist, I promote the interests of black women FIRST AND FOREMOST, thus my efforts are aimed at empowering all black women to preserve themselves FIRST AND FOREMOST, and I urge them to seek fulfillment for themselves--FIRST AND FOREMOST-- in ALL ways including selecting a loving, loveable, suitable and compatible mate from the global village of men (to get this blog back on its central theme.)

Judging from the fact that single bw and their children in the U.S. are the most impoverished group in the country and sinking faster every day, my sistas need to focus on helping themselves FIRST AND FOREMOST. This will enable them to be MUCH better nurturers, providers, and protectors for themselves and their children.

It is clear to me that the bulk of bw (approx. 70%) cannot depend on anyone else but themselves to provide for and protect them and/or their children. No one else has COMMITTED to do this.

Obviously many bm are resistant to doing that or have flat out refused to COMMIT to doing that--EVEN WHEN THEY CAN. No amount of excuses or explanations, lectures, accusations or attacks on me has changed that OBVIOUS fact regarding bm behavior for the bulk of bm.

Trust--I'm not hurting, but those bw and their children CERTAINLY ARE.

I hope that you are going to sites where bm denigrate and defile bw on the regular--and lecture those bm on their responsibilities to provide and protect bw and children IF they want to be regarded as MEN who are worthy of any respect. Also, I hope you do everything in your power at every opportunity to empower and hold bw in the highest esteem like I do. If you do the latter, someone may also at some point label you a "black womanist."

As I once said on my blog, don't come around lecturing me or pointing the finger at me until you can show PROOF that you've gone FIRST to several anti-bw blogs/sites and delivered your lecture. There are so many of those anti-bw sites/blogs compared to pro-bw sites like this until if you REALLY want to help the black community, you would spend ALL of your time on those sites teaching and re-teaching those males. I personally don't need your lectures. I'm doing fine and so are my children. As far as I can tell, the other sistas here don't need lecturing either.

Anonymous said...

-Avid Reader said...
Just as long as an individual sistas personal definition of the term black womanist gets HER where SHE needs and wishes to be regarding relationships, and other important areas of HER life, IT DOESN'T MATTER what Patricia Hill Collins', Alice Walker's, or ANYONE else's definition of the term is.

Uhm, Evia said that I needed to go to school because I didn't know the definition of a "womanist". That implies that her definition is standard. I gave the definition according to those prominent women who have most contributed to defining the term including the woman who coined it. To respond now by saying that her individual definition is all that counts to her avoids the fact that she put her foot in mouth.

Anonymous said...

Word games won't change the way things are. You need to find a hobby.

Anonymous said...

Uhm, Evia said that I needed to go to school because I didn't know the definition of a "womanist".

She did? She addressed you by name? Whether she did or didn't, that's between you and her. No one here is interested in your beef with Evia.

That implies that her definition is standard. I gave the definition according to those prominent women who have most contributed to defining the term including the woman who coined it.

Again, nobody gives a f*ck. Nobody knows you, cares to know you, or is interested in what you have to say. And I'm sure the feeling is mutual. This blog isn't about what is or isn't the definition of the term womanist and who did and didn't coin it. I doubt Alice Walker is going to sue over it's (in your mind) "misuse".

This blog (and those like it) is about BW expanding their options when it comes to men if they so wish.


To respond now by saying that her individual definition is all that counts to her avoids the fact that she put her foot in mouth.

If you PERSONALLY feel she's put her foot in her mouth than whoopee for you! Gloat over that "checkmate" you feel you've made, to your hearts content. Again, nobody cares.

And that's the fact that you're trying to avoid.

We're all adults here, and are capable of making up our OWN minds in regards to what "makes sense" to us and what doesn't.

You shouldn't care what any woman here thinks -including Evia - anyway.

And if you do, you should ask yourself why.

Evia said...

This blog isn't about what is or isn't the definition of the term womanist and who did and didn't coin it. I doubt Alice Walker is going to sue over it's (in your mind) "misuse".

I can't believe this DBRbm is scratching for these crumbs to try to discredit me? Or What? Lawdy, lawdy!

Maybe I'll ask Alice whether I'm off the mark with my interpretation of the term. Many of the DBRbm accuse Alice of being a sell-out since she wrote "The Color Purple" and highlighted bm violence against bf. I find it amusing they're hanging onto this term she coined. So now this one thinks he's the only one who can interpret what a term means. LOL!

This blog (and those like it) is about BW expanding their options when it comes to men if they so wish.

Thank You! This blog is not about Evia. But I guess this is why this DBRbm comes here--to follow me around, read my every word and TRY to discredit my message. He needs to realize that even if I never wrote another word, this movement will continue and continue. My message is a common sense message. I have NOT monopolized common sense.

It's just plain common sense for bw to broaden their options--instead of waiting and waiting and waiting for the tap on the door from "the black prince." They will dry up waiting and NUMEROUS bw realize this.


If you PERSONALLY feel she's put her foot in her mouth than whoopee for you! Gloat over that "checkmate" you feel you've made, to your hearts content. Again, nobody cares.

If this makes this DBRbm feel better to think this way, then I'll clap for him. He's still NOT getting it. It won't make any difference one way or the other.


We're all adults here, and are capable of making up our OWN minds in regards to what "makes sense" to us and what doesn't.

EXACTLY!! I'm not forcing any bw to think or say any of what's being said here or anywhere else. This goes to show that these DBRbm really don't think much of the intellect of bw!! If I and Halima disappeared tomorrow, this train would keep on moving and this is why the blogs will multiply and multiply.

You shouldn't care what any woman here thinks -including Evia - anyway.

And if you do, you should ask yourself why.


Yes, I'd like for them to ask themselves why are they so TERRIFIED that bw will "escape" as one of them said. They need to face their terror and deal with it. Since so many of them want to just lay up with bw and refuse to marry sistas AND find so much wrong with bw, they should know it's only a matter of time before many sistas will just move on and find loving, loveable, suitable and compatible men who WILL marry them.

They also need to ask themselves why do they follow me around--hanging on to my every word? They definitely shouldn't care what I think OR write. They need to get a grip! LOL!!

Anonymous said...

She did? She addressed you by name?

She quoted me and then responded. Are you slow?

Anonymous said...

NOBODY GIVES A DAMN. Are YOU slow.

B!tch about Evia somewhere else to folks who care about your issues.

No one here does.

You're just grasping for straws now and it looks really pathetic.

Anonymous said...

The text in italics is based on "Malignant Self Love - Narcissism Revisited", fourth, revised, printing (2003)

http://www.geocities.com/vaksam/msla.html

An all-pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behaviour), need for admiration or adulation and lack of empathy, usually beginning by early adulthood and present in various contexts. Five (or more) of the following criteria must be met:

Feels grandiose and self-important (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents to the point of lying, demands to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

Is obsessed with fantasies of unlimited success, fame, fearsome power or omnipotence, unequalled brilliance (the cerebral narcissist), bodily beauty or sexual performance (the somatic narcissist), or ideal, everlasting, all-conquering love or passion

Firmly convinced that he or she is unique and, being special, can only be understood by, should only be treated by, or associate with, other special or unique, or high-status people (or institutions)

Requires excessive admiration, adulation, attention and affirmation - or, failing that, wishes to be feared and to be notorious (narcissistic supply)

Feels entitled. Expects unreasonable or special and favorable priority treatment. Demands automatic and full compliance with his or her expectations

Is "interpersonally exploitative", i.e., uses others to achieve his or her own ends

Devoid of empathy. Is unable or unwilling to identify with or acknowledge the feelings and needs of others

Constantly envious of others or believes that they feel the same about him or her

Arrogant, haughty behaviours or attitudes coupled with rage when frustrated, contradicted, or confronted

Anonymous said...

Original source...

http://www.healthyplace.com
/Communities/personality_disorders
/narcissism/narcissism_defined.html

Anonymous said...

4:26 AM Anonymous said...
The text in italics is based on "Malignant Self Love - Narcissism Revisited", fourth, revised, printing (2003)

http://www.geocities.com/vaksam/msla.html


Thank you for providing a surprisingly insightful and introspective and clinical definition of the trolls, DBRM and many members of the keep hope alive long after common sense and reason says surrender all hope who enter in - doing the same thing and hoping for different results foundation aka Dream on Delusional One aka Mammies R US DBR R We.


Acknowledging the problem is the first step to healing.

V/r

Clarice

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said:
Still, no one has told me THEIR OPINION on why marriage is good for the man?

Perhaps you ought to ask that question to your PHD father who has been married 39+ years to your SAHM mother.

Anonymous said...

Evia said
Maybe I'll ask Alice whether I'm off the mark with my interpretation of the term. Many of the DBRbm accuse Alice of being a sell-out since she wrote "The Color Purple" and highlighted bm violence against bf. I find it amusing they're hanging onto this term she coined. So now this one thinks he's the only one who can interpret what a term means. LOL!

Ain't that a trip!!!!

Thank God we're smart women here, and we can see through their crap, I swear, these DBRbm provide for some good comic relief.!!! LOL

Anonymous said...

Just as there are different kinds of feminism, there are different kinds of womanism. Feminism has evolved since the word was first coined, and similarly, Womanism has evolved too.

It is my profound belief that when black women will start looking out for their own higher interests and raise their standards and expectations of men and relationships instead of being sex mules and mammies, the black community AS A WHOLE will benefit from it.

When Black women stop playing mules and mammies and exercise their right to find love outside of the confine of bmbw relationships, Black men will WAKE UP AND SHAPE UP!! All because Black women will have finally awaken and put their interests first.

There is a reason why blogs like this terrify DBRbm and their female enablers. They have to keep interfering and posting their rusty 2 cents. For too long, these DBRbm have enjoyed green light to be irresponsible, uncommitted, unloyal and disrespectful while till getting their freaks on. Yeah, they had it good, didn't they?

Now, they're beginning to realize that some of us are slipping away and if the trend continues, that their supply of mules and mammies will dry up. That's why they're freaking out, slamming and harassing and slandering Evia and the others. They want to nip this in the bud. Pronto!!

Black men KNOW that they will never find another group of women as committed to them as bw have been. They know that, with every fiber of their being. Oh yes, they will shap e up...

Anonymous said...

Stardusky said... Black men KNOW that they will never find another group of women as committed to them as bw have been. They know that, with every fiber of their being. Oh yes, they will shape up...

Maybe they will or maybe they won't - it doesn't matter - the women here have moved on - it will however be amusing to watch.


V/r

Clarice

Anonymous said...

This is weird post. You act as if there are numerous genders of black people. There are only two and black females make up the larger of the two. So when you say that the black community doesn't care about bw, you are in essence saying that bw don't care about themselves.

You say that if black women take care of themselves first, blacks would be up the creek. Are not black women black? Are not black women the larger of the two genders of black people? How can black women "leave" the black community unless they somehow leave out of their own black skins and have white children? And if black women improve themselves and are the largest of the two genders, wouldn't that amount to improving the black community? I mean, your statement is like me saying that if I improve my circulation, my heart will be up the creek.

If black women improve, black men will improve and vis versa. Black women improving will reduce the number of black children born our of wedlock. Black women choosing only quality men will motivate more black men to be quality. Black women will likewise improve as the result of black men improving. But one gender improving will not be to the detriment of the other. That's a silly notion and clearly a notion based on some weird revenge fantasy.


In response to the above post. This post exposes some of the female bloggers on this site. What was written in that post was reasonable and facutal. In fact, it is the idea that I have read other bloggers express on here that being involved with NONbm will not mean a bw will turn her back on black people and the black community, but the response this post received expressed amusement and anger, that a bw involved with a nonbm and improving her life would share or help other black people particularly bm.
Of course no person is obligated to "help" anyone, but these questions must be asked WHY wouldn't a bw who married a nonbm for love not help black children? Why wouldn't a bw who married a nonbm for love not help other bw, why wouldn't she black poor people, why wouldn't she black people who have been victims of racial discrimination? Why wouldn't a bw give her time and effort to political, economic institutions that was fighting racial discrimination against all black people?

Those bloggers through their responses SHOWED exactly what their intent is. They WANT bw to PUNISH black people(particularly bm) by just not giving a damn about OTHER black people, by not helping other black people, by not recoginizing our shared racial fate. Again they will respond with the lie that I am suggesting that bw are more responsible or that I am absolving bm of OUR responsiblities towards black people or excusing the ways in which bm have failed in those regards, but I Have not done any such thing.
But the suggestion that bw "leave" bm and therefore other black people is coming throught LOUD and CLEAR.

Anonymous said...

Make that...

http://www.childrensdefense.org/site
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Marian Wright Edelman

Marian Wright Edelman is a lifelong advocate for disadvantaged Americans and is the Founder and President of the Children's Defense Fund (CDF). Under her leadership, CDF has become the nation’s strongest voice for children and families.

Mrs. Edelman graduated from Spelman College and Yale Law School. In the mid-60s, she was the first black woman admitted to the Mississippi Bar and directed the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund office in Jackson, Mississippi.

She moved to Washington, D.C. in 1968 to become counsel for Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.’s Poor People's Campaign.

Mrs. Edelman founded the Washington Research Project, a public interest law firm and the parent body of the Children's Defense Fund. She began CDF in 1973. She served as the Director of the Center for Law and Education at Harvard University for two years.

Mrs. Edelman served on the Board of Trustees of Spelman College and chaired the Board from 1976 to 1987. She was the first woman elected by alumni as a member of the Yale University Corporation on which she served from 1971 to 1977.

She has received over one hundred honorary degrees and many awards including the Albert Schweitzer Humanitarian Prize, the Heinz Award, and a MacArthur Foundation Prize Fellowship.

In 2000, she received the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the nation’s highest civilian award, and the Robert F. Kennedy Lifetime Achievement Award for her writings.

She is a board member of the Robin Hood Foundation, the Association to Benefit Children, and City Lights School and is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, the American Philosophical Society, the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, and the Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Sciences.

Marian Wright Edelman is married to Peter Edelman, a Professor at Georgetown Law School. They have three sons, Joshua, Jonah, and Ezra, two granddaughters, Ellika and Zoe, and two grandsons Elijah and Levi.

Anonymous said...

Ladies here is a historical perspective. After chattel slavery two things happened concurrently. One was black women, many of whom were literate, because they could congress with white women, became seamstresses, clothes cleaners, Domestics etc. For the newly freed slaves working the fields in conditions not unlike during slavery and in cases even worse was not a pleasing prospect. Together with the practice of divide and conquer, cast the die for a dichotomy which exists till today. Educated black men are not insulated from unemployment, under-employment, substandard pay and non-parity with his white counterpart. Financial hardship, social sanctions, were some of the things that caused sanitation workers to hang signs from their necks stating "I am a man". In those times the african woman refrained from voluntarily consorting with non blackmen. At the time the net effect was a denial of conquest to the white man. As influx of other peoples continued, each ethnic group introduced into the population and given favor adopted a posture of stereotyping black folks in this country. Educated and or skilled blackmen from other countries in their respective native lands are expected to succeed, are expected to have ability and competence and are generally nutured and respected by their women. What is wrong in this country are black women lacking in values, nuturing and common sense. Is everything honky dory and the generality of blackmen educated and skilled and earn big bucks but are just plain perverse to women. Is it that they are mired in ignorance, lack of opportunity, frustration and violent due to blindness resulting from divide and conquer, not being aware of how counter productive fratricide is. Are these things because blackwomen have failed and dogged their men. Please help me to understand.

Anonymous said...

Why would black men and women desire marriage when they are not raised in a home where their parents were married? This seems the epitome of idioticy. Is this the old "Don't do as I do, but do as I say" trick? Let's be honest, and since we seem fond of stats, here's one for you: 70% of black children are being raised in single parent homes. So what does that bode for the future? The fact of the matter is, as harsh as it might sound, that black women receive the black men they helped create, along with the absentee fathers. Until more black PARENTS raise children we will continue to see a downward trending number of black men and women who would like to be married. What I find interesting is s this assumption that all marriage eligible black women are truly marriage material. If statistics are any indicator I would say that both black men and women are sorely lacking in the fundamentals of what constitutes a healthy relationship let alone marriage. Both sides have lots of work to do.

Halima said...

I disagree. every index out there shows that bw are pulling ahead of bm educationally and economically. when there is a down trend (family/singleness etc), there is a strong association with the inclusion of bm in the equation eg singleness, family breakdown, incaceration rates etc. we might be seeing a 'pull down' effect from their immediate associations.

harsh but true!

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